Two Edgartown hotel redevelopment proposals kept the Martha’s Vineyard Commission busy Thursday, as neighbors railed against increasing commercial development.
Two Edgartown hotel redevelopment proposals kept the Martha’s Vineyard Commission busy Thursday, as a strident group of neighbors railed against spas, pools and what they called “creeping, crawling” commercial development in the town.
In a pair of public hearings Thursday night that ran more than three hours, both the Hob Knob inn and Harbor View hotel pitched modified expansion or renovation plans to the commission.
Although the plans and hotels are quite diffferent — the Hob Knob is looking to double its number of rooms and expand across Tilton Way, while the Harbor View wants to add a spa — the proposals drew a similar cohort of vocal Edgartown residents who felt both projects represented unnecessary commercial expansions in the residential village.
A premier luxury hotel at the tip of North Water street, the Harbor View has been chipping away at a large-scale, $55 million redevelopment project for the past two years. The proposal before the commission Thursday is actually a modification to the redevelopment that would keep the total number of rooms the same but reorganize the hotel’s layout.
The primary feature of the proposal — and the sticking point for neighbors — is an expansion to the current Bradley cottage that would add a seven-room, full service spa on the site. Parts of the redevelopment, including renovations to the hotel’s main building, have already been completed.
In a presentation at the outset of the hearing Thursday, Harbor View general manager Scott Little and attorney Sean Murphy said that while the spa would be open to the public, particularly in the shoulder seasons, it would not be marketed separately from the hotel. They described the facility as a necessary amenity for the hotel to compete in a cutthroat hospitality market.
The hotel does not currently have a spa.
“The business plan for us is making this part of the amenities with the hotel,” Mr. Little said. “There is no storefront. The intent is that this building, very much on purpose, blend in and not say its name too loudly.”
Neighbors felt otherwise, saying that the spa was just one of many incremental changes at the hotel that reflected a larger change of use — a view articulated by abutter Bob Forrester.
“I have been feeling for a long time that we are witnessing a fundamental change in the business of the Harbor View hotel,” Mr. Forrester said. “Are we now at a tipping point, and is the Harbor View, and other places, going to become different from something they intended?”
Joe Wargo, an attorney who also lives next to the hotel, called the changes “death by a thousand cuts,” asking that the commission defer making a decision on the modification until a larger meeting had been held between all stakeholders regarding the hotel’s broader use changes.
“The truth is, this property is overtaxed already,” Mr. Wargo said. “Is it appropriate to have golf carts, all the time? Is it appropriate to have jet skis? Is it? Is it appropriate to have horse and buggy carriages? This is what people are against.”
Hotel management disputed many of the complaints from neighbors, arguing that uses like jet skis and carriages were largely unaffiliated with the hotel operations.
Upper Main street Edgartown residents Jane Chittick and Sara Piazza, who have been vocal critics of commercial development in the town, also both spoke during the hearing. Ms. Chittick noted that there are spas in town already, and Ms. Piazza said she stood with residents who felt their neighborhoods were changing.
“I’m very concerned about the creeping, crawling businesses into the residential zone,” Ms. Piazza said. “It needs to be curtailed.”
Commissioners continued the public hearing after just over an hour of presentations and testimony, moving on to a different hotel expansion plan on the other side of town.
A boutique inn situated on Edgartown’s Upper Main street, the Hob Knob has been before the commission for nearly nine months with a major expansion plan that would double its rooms from 17 to 36 and expand its spa. The inn has signed a purchase and sale agreement with owners of the Tomassian Law Office across the street and plans to expand onto the property.
After a trio of public hearings, the applicants pulled the plan this winter, opting to remove a proposed pool on the Tomassian property, reconfigure the parking lot to eliminate double parking, and decrease the size of the main building by about 400 square feet.
But at the new public hearing on Thursday, neighbors continued to vent about the plan, saying that the changes were essentially too little, too late. Neighbor Bill Fruhan noted the coincidence that the Hob Knob and Harbor View projects had been scheduled for the same night, thus allowing the commission to see in “full flower” how the hotels threaten to overwhelm residential zoning.
“The journey of the Hob Knob expansion proposal through the MVC reminds me of a story I heard from a contractor. The story is about how you mollify neighbors,” Mr. Fruhan said. “They hope to gain MVC approval by appearing to be conciliatory.”
Ms. Chittick and Ms. Piazza also took the opportunity, once again, to plead for the commission to stop the “whittling away” of residential districts by special permit.
“It’s despicable and disgusting. That’s all I have to say,” Ms. Piazza said.
The view was echoed by others in the neighborhood, including former Edgartown commission appointee James Joyce, with testimony continuing in a similar vein for approximately 45 minutes.
But to close out the hearing, Hob Knob hotel owner Bill Booth was given an opportunity to speak, during which he defended the proposal, the Hob Knob’s character as a boutique inn rather than a motel, and the recent changes. And he said that the hotel did not want to get rid of the pool, but considered its removal a fair concession.
“We don’t intend harm or evil,” Mr. Booth said “We’re trying to compete in a very, very difficult business in a difficult market.”
Commissioners closed the Hob Knob hearing. The written record remains open until Jan. 28 at 5 p.m., after which a post-public hearing review was tentatively set for early February.

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I can’t understand people who
Ted EdgartownI can’t understand people who move next to a hotel/college or any commercial Business space and then complain about noise etc...
We need the Harbor View!! They are good neighbors.
Horse and buggies have
Marion West tisburyHorse and buggies have already tied up traffic on North Water Street
How does an ambulance get through?
How will traffic for those on the North side of Main Street fare
No to the Harborview; it will destroy the character of the lovely view of lighthouse
Jet skis? Golf carts
It’s on a one way street!
The neighborhood has worked hard for the town -new sidewalks, street lamps, etc
Please do not approve
"Ted, Edgartown": these aren
Jane Chittick Edgartownn"Ted, Edgartown": these aren't people who have just moved next to a business and complained. These are residents who were promised just the opposite: By-Laws that proclaimed these neighborhoods are business-free and residential. It's the inns who are the interlopers owned by large corporations.. Originally, the inns were quiet lodgings, but today both properties continue to demand Special Permits that destroy our LEGAL residential areas. It's all about money - no matter what they say. We live here: they don't. The Town of Edgartown established this zoning in 1974 - the Harbor View was allowed to stay put, but as a quiet inn. The Hob Knob came in well after residential zoning and pushed to be allowed to receive guests in a small home. Now they want 35 rooms and 28 parking spaces and Spas, etc., adding 4,000 sf to a small Greek Revival home that 's been there for 150 years. Let them go to the Business district that's zoned for commercial uses. We are the ones who have always lived here - my house is 1849, my next-door neighbor's is 1838. It's zoned for Residential. Period.
The Harbor View is an
Cynthia OHara EdgartownThe Harbor View is an historical and town treasure. That said, the creep that is described above is a change of identity from Harbor View Hotel to "Harbor View Resort & Spa." Now is the time to discuss where to clearly draw a line to come to an understanding of how to balance the "needs" of the hotel against the impact on and rights of its residential neighbors.
We live very close to the
Jane EdgartownWe live very close to the Harborview Hotel and are not bothered by anything they have done. The house they want to expand on for the spa is on their property and wont encroach on anyone else’s. They have done a really nice job improving the hotel so far. People knew they were buying near a big hotel, what did they expect? The noise from the weddings every weekend in the season has been going on for many years with many different owners, that’s not new. .
A very leveled and reasonable
Katama71 KatamaA very leveled and reasonable response.
Adding a spa to an existing
Preston Thayer EdgartownAdding a spa to an existing cottage in the Harbor View makes sense, however jet skis are a real nuisance to harbor traffic, fishermen, the neighborhood and wildlife.
Let them do what’s reasonable
Mark EdgartownLet them do what’s reasonable on property without increasing noise pollution. Jet skis, a hard no.
This is a slippery slope,
AM 02539This is a slippery slope, folks. The Harborview is going to build out a spa and not market it? Yeah, right. The jet skis are nonsense - if that is believed to be keeping with the spirit and vibe of the town, people are crazy. Shame on the hotel’s ownership. Hob Knob? Sure it’s a “difficult business in a difficult market” - you knew that when you bought it. Why should the town and your neighbors have to bail you out by compromising long-standing character? It’s time to put a fork in this. The property aggregation taking place further up Main Street has the potential to be the next mess.
To those who say to Harbor
Lynn EdgartownTo those who say to Harbor View abutters “you bought next to a hotel what did you expect” I would like to set the record straight. The Harbor View Hotel is a pre-existing non-conforming use in a residential neighborhood. That means it has for years operated under restrictions (the 1990 and 1992 Special Permits) that govern the outdoor activities at the hotel. The hotel and all abutters know of these restrictions and expect them to be adhered to as they have for the past thirty years. The current management is in violation of these long standing restrictions. That is the rub.
Everything the hotel in doing
BW EdgartownEverything the hotel in doing is within their property line. The hotel has continued upgrading and improving this historic building. Let’s support positive investment in our community. If the hotel can’t succeed it will be a catastrophic loss to the Edgartown.
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