Stop & Shop wants to move it. The Tisbury Historic District wants to save it. The Martha’s Vineyard Commission doesn’t fully know what it wants to do with it.
Stop & Shop wants to move it. The Tisbury Historic District wants to save it. The Martha’s Vineyard Commission doesn’t fully know what it wants to do with it. And it doesn’t really know what it can do, either.
The Caleb Prouty House is a historic, early 19th-century Greek Revival home tucked behind Cromwell Lane in downtown Vineyard Haven, eligible for listing in the National Register of Historic places and determined by the commission to have significant historical value.
Stop & Shop owns the house and has filed a historic building demolition request with the commission to tear the building down. But according to their attorney Geoghan Coogan, the grocery store’s intention is to move the house to a different location, thereby making space for future plans to expand the store. Because the commission does not have a review trigger for moving a house, Mr. Coogan testified that their only option was to request a demolition.
“I’m kind of here voluntarily because I know that this should have some oversight,” Mr. Coogan said, explaining why he requested a demolition permit. “I’m not looking to squeak it by.”
In a somewhat roundabout public hearing on Thursday, commissioners and Mr. Coogan discussed the procedural and logistic challenges of preserving the home, and the extent of the commission’s ability to regulate where, when and how that preservation occurs. A previous public hearing was held on the demolition request last October, in which commissioners wrestled with the prospect of a tear-down and decided to leave the public hearing open.
On Thursday, Mr. Coogan said in the continued public hearing that the store had multiple people who were interested in the building if they could get approval from the commission to relocate it — and that they were willing to pay for the cost of the move, as well.
“Stop & Shop cannot really put plans together for development on this site if that building has to remain where it is,” Mr. Coogan said. “It doesn’t make any sense to renovate it where it is, for housing, for any other purpose. To best maximize that site, the building needs to be gone.”
But some commissioners felt that Mr. Coogan’s proposition was more of a “horse-and-cart” problem, in that they couldn’t approve the demolition or relocation of the building if Stop & Shop didn’t have expansion plans articulating why it needed to be moved. The building was constructed between 1810 and 1838 and is at the back end of Stop & Shop’s Vineyard Haven property, situated in a difficult corner behind their store.
The Tisbury Historic District Commission has written a letter, dated Feb. 20 of this year, saying that they do not want the house demolished because of its significance.
“The THC respectfully requests and recommends any activity by Stop & Shop and/or implementation of the DRI process by the MVC involving the Caleb Prouty House include preservation and complete historical renovation of the Caleb Prouty House at its present address or a location to be determined in concert with the THC,” the letter reads in part. “Having survived the fire of 1883 and being one of only two homes in Tisbury with most of the original interior woodwork intact, including the original floors, staircase and balustrade, the THC believes the house is of great historical value.”
Discussion at the meeting on Thursday generally swirled around the procedural questions of denying a request to demolish a house in favor of it being moved. But some commissioners, like Doug Sederholm, pushed for discussion about whether the building’s location was an important aspect of its historical significance. Others still felt that they didn’t know enough about the planned move — like where it would go and its condition after the move — to make a determination on the demolition request.
“I feel like we’re missing a lot of the information to be able to make a good decision on whether the structure should stay in its current location or be moved,” commissioner Ben Robinson said. “Until you can weigh out those things against the value of it staying in its current location, we are giving sort of an incremental approval.”
Mr. Coogan testified during the public hearing that Stop & Shop was potentially willing to come back before the commission with more details about the move, after they received approval. Ultimately, the discussion became bogged down in further procedural issues, with commissioners at points expressing frustration on the circular nature of the discussion.
“Why don’t we just try to be efficient here and save everybody a lot of time; deny the demolition and put some conditions upon its removal, and get the damn thing done,” commissioner Robert Doyle said. “We’re just arguing over a lot of nonsense when this is just efficiency.”
There was no testimony from the public during the hearing. After a little over an hour of discussion, commissioners voted to close the public hearing and leave the written record open for one week. Commissioners Gail Barmakian and Jim Vercruysse voted against closing the public hearing. A date has not been set for the commission to deliberate on the request.

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So much demolition going on
Steve Lindsey Keene, NHSo much demolition going on in the islands and the Cape. On the latter they want to raze the Nimrod House. Sad.
People here should know the
Jane Chittick EdgartownPeople here should know the value of historic preservation -- this building is one of the few left in Vineyard Haven of that era. I don't understand why the Historic District doesn't mandate that the building must stay where it is, regardless of the Stop & Shop. Stop & Shops come and go. Historic properties should not. Why doesn't the town get some expert advice, if they don't know what a Historic District means?
In this day and age with
Zero Any place any whereIn this day and age with people tearing down "outdated" memorials, "offensive" statues or even "racist" plaques just allow this structure to be documented and photographed and let those photos and documents go to the MV Museum. Remove the structure , tear it down, demolish it and move on. There is nothing historic about the site and certainly when it's under water in 60 years you'll be glad you allowed the demolition.
Stop Blocking Progress MVC and make a decision without hampering the businesses on this island.
If people knew the HUGE rat
Very Annoyed Vineyard HavenIf people knew the HUGE rat problem in that particular area, you would demo it!!! No one knew the building even existed until S&S wanted to improve its'infrastructure. MVC has more negatives then pluses! I appreciate the concern for not having "MC" franchises, however we desperately need a REAL store!!
The current owners can hold
BS OBThe current owners can hold on to this property until it meets its ultimate fate of decay and collapse. Why wouldn't the town support it being saved and moved to another location. Moving and preserving the structure at a new location while facilitating a new and improved supermarket seems like a win for the town. Then again, it's Tisbury where leadership is defined by keeping the town as ugly as possible.
" Then again, it's Tisbury
Islander Too Tisbury" Then again, it's Tisbury where leadership is defined by keeping the town as ugly as possible."
This is a handsome old building with historic significance.
Leaving it where it is, restoring the exterior, and integrating the building into S&S's expansion plans would be a move away from "ugly."
Any competent architect should be capable of achieving this.
Or perhaps you think a huge unbroken supermarket facade on Water Street would be "beautiful"?
I don't understand what these
Cement Truck Driver Edgartown but used to be VHI don't understand what these committees are thinking, when someone wants to remove a dilapidated building that hasn't been used in years and has fallen in disrepair, forces their hand and makes them keep it in place. When is the last time the house was used?
re "I don't understand what
Islander Too Tisburyre "I don't understand what these committees are thinking, when someone wants to remove a dilapidated building that hasn't been used in years and has fallen in disrepair,"
@@@Let me explain to you what you do not understand.
Owners often empty buildings and let them fall into disrepair in order to create the conditions leading to the exact argument you make. This strategic negligence should be called out for what it is. Owners of historical properties are mandated to maintain them. This is what "committees are thinking."
I’d like to know whose money
AnnieP WTisI’d like to know whose money the MVC - and all the other “preservationists” - want to use to “preserve and protect” buildings that were never built to be artifacts. They were built to be used - lived in or for their original commercial use. This house wasn’t built as a monument. I’d also like them to address whether strict and pure preservation would dictate that all the building methods and techniques available in the 19th century be used to preserve them. Of course that would mean waiving all the current building codes and environmental and labor regulations which prevail today.
Ineffectual.... Vineyard
Brian Vineyard HavenIneffectual.... Vineyard Government...synonymous....I have been part of the Vineyard for over 65 years... I had no idea it was there... move it to the high school... move it to the Boys and Girls club land...if it is historic ... let other people see a part of Island history.. ideally it should be moved to MV Museum campus but there is no land... leaving it where it is ... is not an option.... no one will ever see this historic house ... typical....
come on guys this is a no
Pat G MVY or LBIcome on guys this is a no brainer
house moved to a new location and restored win
S&S moved out of the 60's and into this century win
tell them to do a professional dig before any new construction and move on win
The site of the house is no
Douglas Korves Architect Always on IslandThe site of the house is no longer historically in context. Simply move the house next to the historic house and site near the Daniel Fischer House. Have Stop and Shop pay for the move and constructing the new foundation and services. Then the town can plan for a 1700’s house relocation which will probably occur soon enough.
Here we go again, this total
Rich Vineyard HavenHere we go again, this total dump of a building, which is not visible except from an unpaved alley, standing in the way of much needed improvements to the Stop N Shop. It will be at least ten years before this is resolved, and by then many of us will be dead.
Move Stop and Shop out of
Elizabeth Bradley EdgartownMove Stop and Shop out of town. Preserve the antique building. Make downtown prettier!
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