<p> When and If, the 63-foot John G. Alden schooner built in 1939 for the late Gen. George S. Patton that has been a familiar presence in waters from the Vineyard to Maine and beyond, is for sale.</p> <p> The historic schooner was recently appraised at $680,000.</p> <p> Owner Candace Ruitenberg confirmed that the boat has been placed on the market due to an impending divorce.</p> <p> Mrs. Ruitenberg said she hopes someone else will now step in to give as much love and attention as she and others have already given the When and If.</p>
When and If, the 63-foot John G. Alden schooner built in 1939 for the late Gen. George S. Patton that has been a familiar presence in waters from the Vineyard to Maine and beyond, is for sale.
The historic schooner was recently appraised at $680,000.
Owner Candace Ruitenberg confirmed that the boat has been placed on the market due to an impending divorce.
Mrs. Ruitenberg said she hopes someone else will now step in to give as much love and attention as she and others have already given the When and If.
“She is a fine boat,” said Nat Benjamin, co-owner of the Gannon and Benjamin boatyard in Vineyard Haven. “She was built to sail around the world and she is still capable of doing it.”
Mr. Benjamin would know. He and his business partner Ross Gannon restored the When and If after she was severely damaged in a 1990 November gale in Marblehead. In that storm the vessel broke loose from her mooring and was driven onto the rocks. An insurance adjuster declared the schooner, built of teak, mahogany and oak with a double-planked hull, a complete loss.
She was brought to Gannon and Benjamin in pieces by barge over the span of two and a half years, where she was fully restored.
In June of 1994 the late Walter Cronkite, who had known the late General Patton, presided over the launch of the When and If at the Tisbury Marine Railway, before a crowd of 300.
“I had the privilege of knowing General Patton as a correspondent during World War Two. Everything had to be perfection with Patton. That is what made him the great general that he is,” Mr. Cronkite said at the time.
Following the restoration project Mr. Benjamin and Mr. Gannon shared ownership of the schooner with Jim Mairs and his wife Gina Webster. The schooner sailed up and down the coast, mostly between the Vineyard and Maine.
The When and If has seen its share of calamities at sea and also heroics. In October of 1996 the schooner broke from its mooring in Vineyard Haven harbor in a northeast storm, but was saved from severe damage thanks to a midnight rescue by Ralph Packer and a Packer Marine tugboat.
The schooner was built in 1939 in Wiscasset, Me., for Mr. Patton, who at the time was a colonel in the U.S. Army. The story of how she got her name was recounted by Ross Gannon in 1994 at the launch ceremony: “She was launched . . . during the buildup of World War II. He [the general] said he expected to use it when and if he returned from war.”
The schooner was bought by Candace and Paul Ruitenberg three years ago for $650,000. The Ruitenbergs mostly sailed around the Vineyard in the summer and in the Caribbean in the winter. They also allowed the vessel to be used to raise money for nonprofit causes on the Island, and the When and If became a popular auction item for groups like Martha’s Vineyard Community Services, Sail Martha’s Vineyard and Hospice of Martha’s Vineyard.
And they especially loved to take Island children out for sails.
“The nice thing about this boat is that wheelchairs can fit aboard,” Mrs. Ruitenberg said. The couple had a two-person crew manage the vessel year-round. “They maintained her impeccably,” Mrs. Ruitenberg said. She continued:
“We purchased her for $650,000 and probably put another $300,000 into her. She has brand new sails. Myles Thurlow put up new rigging. She has a brand new Lugger diesel engine.”
After each summer, the family sailed the vessel down the coast. Mrs. Ruitenberg recalled several times sailing past the Statue of Liberty in New York harbor. Last October, they brought the vessel over to Chestertown, Md., where daughter Kaitlyn was attending Washington College.
Mrs. Ruitenberg recalled spending two winters in the British Virgin Islands. More than once the vessel was a guest at the National Sailing Hall of Fame pier in Annapolis. “They loved having us there,” Mrs. Ruitenberg said.
She said she treasured meeting the many people who knew the vessel and the general, including a Patton grandson who came aboard, toured the vessel and shared stories of his time on the schooner as a child. “People love this boat,” she said.
Her captain of three years, Emyl M. Hattingh, married his first mate Seychelle Roberts, last Sept. 18, on the dock at Gannon and Benjamin, with the schooner nearby.
“Their’s is a love story on the boat,” Mrs. Ruitenberg said.
Mrs. Ruitenberg, whose sailing history on the Island dates back to the 1970s when she was a counselor in the original Girl Scout sailing camp park in Oak Bluffs, would love to see the schooner stay in Vineyard waters, perhaps continuing to support local sailing programs for children. “That would be a perfect dream,” she said.
When the money ran out last May, Mrs. Ruitenberg had to let the full-time captain and mate go. The last captain’s log entry on the schooner’s Web site was May 18. It reads: “I have not blogged in a while due to the fact that When and If has been put up for sale and I wasn’t quite sure what to say. But I’ve decided to say just that.”
The When and If is currently moored in Vineyard Haven harbor, where it will stay for the winter. Mrs. Ruitenberg said the people at Gannon and Benjamin will keep an eye on her. Mr. Hattingh will do the same.
“It is not easy to walk away from this boat,” he said.

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We took our nieces and
justin mead coloradoI enjoyed your article but
Jeffrey H. Pendleton Wiscasset MaineWhat a great boat! I sailed
Claudia King Falmouth, MaineMy dad, Captain Larry, was
Larry Hedaa CharlestonMy dad, Captain Larry, was the When and If's skipper from 1967 until 1973. He worked for Fred Ayer, Sr and his son, Fred, Jr, until his death in 1973. For anyone whoever sailed on her, and I was fortunate to have had many opportunities, they always left with a smile on their face. She was a dream to sail, and I hope the new owners cherish her as part of their family like the Patton and Ayer family did.
Larry,
tommy melton charlestonLarry,
back in town and looking for you.......call me 843-972-8575/843-709-0181
I sailed as mate on the When
Peter Jennings [email protected].I sailed as mate on the When and If under Captain Hedaa out of Manchester to the Caribbean for two Seasons {1970 and 1971}. We cruised the Maine Coast many times and up to Nova Scotia and further North as far as the Islands of Saint Pierre intending to go as far as Newfoundland but time and weather beat us. Of the many yachts I have sailed on, she was the most beautiful. Larry was a great sailor and Captain.
I spent a week aboard the
David Kaplan Tarry town nyI two sailed on her when I
Scott Barnhart ColoradoI two sailed on her when I was at landmark great memories !!!!
I spent a summer on "When and
Steven Gross Huntington, VTI spent a summer on "When and If" through the Landmark school. 12 students a teacher, capt and mate. Learning seamanship and chart navigation along with regular classes. I think it was 77 or 78. I was at the campus in Beverly next to Endicot College for 2 years as well. Capt was named Steve Whitlock I think.
I remember Sailing on her in
Sean W. Ruddy Halibut Cove, AKA couple of Thanksgivings ago
George Fredlund Fort LauderdaleWhen and if:
Randy Frick ColumbusJust saw her today,6/25/12,
Ed Glavin Rockport, MaineI heard the When and If is at
[email protected] 57 Dorset Drive, Canandaigua, NY 14424I heard the When and If is at a Winery in Upstate NY not sure which one.
Dave C
The when and if is currently
doug spurs bay nyThe when and if is currently on spurs bay ny and it is owned by the owner of Haselette winery. He is in he process of getting it ready to sail south next summer.
When Mrs. P. was alive, I
Russell Thomas Houston, TXWhen Mrs. P. was alive, I assisted in moving When and If on the East Coast.
Presently I am trying to put together a sailing program for our Veterans, Wounded, Families and such. IF When and If could be used Down East in the summers and in the Gulf in the Winter it would be a blessing to many who have given their lives for their country.
I saw When and If at a dock
Andrew Max Bills Troy, NHI saw When and If at a dock in the water on Seneca Lake NY. She was covered up for work and was not rigged but appeared to be in good condition.
Summers of 75&76 spent at
Clyde McGeary Oaks Pennsylvania USASummers of 75&76 spent at Landmark sailing program. Went out on her many times! I think I was aboard her to see the Tall Ships come into Boston for the Bicentennial celebration! I may be wrong on that, but I think so. Many fond memories!
The When and If sailed into
Bonnie Scoville Pleasant Beach Hotel, Fair Have, NYThe When and If sailed into our docks on Little Sodus Bay a week ago. She is truly a most remarkable boat and the new owners where very gracious with their time. We had many, many people walk down to the dock to see her and they talked to everyone and let them come aboard. Doug Hazelit of Hazelit Winery in the Fingerlakes region of NY is the current owner and by all appearances, a very good steward of such a fine old vessel. Our hotel is 104 years old and it was a great pairing of two fine old ladies to have her at our docks. We hope she will return next season.
Rumor has it that the When
Bill VanEe Williamson, NYRumor has it that the When and If is currently docked at Sodus Point, NY and will be spending the winter at Katylnn Marine. Ole "Blood and guts" was my dad's boss on D-day.
Can anyone tell me the
Russell Thomas Houston,TXCan anyone tell me the present location and status of the When and If?
Plans underway to use her for sailing trips for vets, families etc.
I sailed on her with Mrs. Patton in the 50's.
rusty
Many years ago my father Capt
Glenroy Bodden TAMPAMany years ago my father Capt. Rosingdell Bodden (now many years deceased) gave me a beautifully framed model of a 4-mast schooner. On the hull of the model is the name "PAUL THERLOW" (not "THURLOW"). Under the name "BOSTON, MASS.". On the back sail is "N. 476", under that "U.S.A.". It would be appreciated if anyone could give me any information about the model. If necessary, I'll e-mail a photo of the model. It is at lease 70+ years old. Thank you.
Sincerely,
Glenroy Bodden
e-mail: [email protected]
Spend many weeks on board
Peer Swan Newport Coast, CASpend many weeks on board with my family as a guest of Mrs. P and later with Fred Ayer. Many, many happy times!!! Remember watching the great fire topping Cadilac Mountain while sailing off Northeast Habor, Maine while listening to the Patton family recounting family history.
During the late 1950's and
Lloyd E. Smith zPalm Coast, FloriddaDuring the late 1950's and 1960's my Dad and Myself serviced the fire equipment on the When and If at Manchester Marina in Manchester, Ma, when it was tied up at the wharf. It was about
the 3rd year we discovered that it was the late Gen. George Patton's boat. We were told in the beginning that the owner complained of a banging which they could not find. We had taken the large CO2 cylinders from a closet to our shop for Hydrostatic Testing and Recharge. Upon removing the valve assembly from the tank we found that there was flexible tube instead of a fixed one. Therefore, when waves would hit against the boat it would cause the tube to bang against the cylinder wall. Problem solved.
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When and If is currently back
Dylan SalemWhen and If is currently back on the north shore sailing daily out of Salem harbor. Www.sailwhenandif.com
A true love story... So
Marilyn Kobus Manchester-by-the-Sea, MAA true love story... So wonderful to hear the stories of many different people who are so blessed to have been connected in some way to this historic and amazing sailing beauty. I am a former Landmark teacher... So delighted to share that the When and If is indeed in loving and capable hands with her new owner Capt. Salzmann who is seeking to fulfill Patton's vision... Her winter home is in Key West, and this summer, she graces the waters of Salem Harbor, her second summer in Salem for all of us on Cape Ann and in New England to enjoy! Check out sailwhenandif.com or sunsetsailsalem.com. Fantastic!
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